New York gun laws: 10 will get you 7….or something like that.

New York, ah New York, the city so nice they named it twice.  Good thing nice was the standard.  If smart legislators was the standard their name might have been Dumber and Dumberer.  To be fair, (an uncommon occurrence here at Unfiltered & Unfettered), it’s New York State in the cross hairs today, not just the city.  Oh, in the cross hairs, are we still allowed to say that?

Ah well, send your complaints to Tony Hupp at ….

Gov. Cuomo signs the SAFE Act.

Gov. Cuomo signs the SAFE Act.

So the Governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo (D), a definite 2016 contender if Hill-Dogg doesn’t run, has signed into law the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, which among other things, limits the number of rounds in a clip to seven.  In case you were wondering the number of guns manufactured with a clip holding less than ten rounds is miniscule.  I’m a dope when it comes to the mechanics of this discussion.  In the Air Force they told me the bullets come out the pointy end and I managed to hit the target enough to qualify to carry an M-16.  So I went to a person I trust and consider an expert on the subject (a current police officer in my home state of NJ).  After I schooled him on politics he schooled me on the gun law and how it affects guns and gun clip manufacture.  Here is what he had to say.

     “The idea of having a seven round magazine vs. a ten round or higher magazine revolves around the physical size of the handgun, marketing and production process. The law itself plays an integral part whereas it may or may not make allowances for weapons capable to using either the seven round ONLY or the seven round, in ADDITION to any other higher capacity with no changes to the gun. If the former is correct than the potential owner needs to buy that specific low capacity gun. This may “ban” older guns while forcing the purchase of the “newer” style. Next, gun magazines are generally produced in even number capacity, 10-20-30 rounds. Revolver handguns are built in six rounds generally. Full frame automatics like my work gun, Glock 22 have a mag capacity of 15 rounds. My much smaller off duty 9mm Kahr has a mag capacity of 7 rounds. The limitation on my Kahr is it’s physical size and specifications for concealment. Full framed auto’s are not built to have 7 rounds. They are very rare, if they have them at all.”

     “They exist, but are rare mostly because they are not what the consumer wants or fills their needs. Finding a full size automatic sans the small micro guns (job specific for concealment) with anything less than a ten round capacity will be difficult. This holds true for rifles, other than hunting firearms. The seven round trend in the long guns plays into the ban of the more aggressive guns since these types are highly likely to have a capacity of 10 or more. You will be hard pressed to find a magazine for the “aggressive” type guns with a magazine capacity of less than 10. One of the reasons both rifles and handguns of this genre are likely to have a capacity of at least 10 rounds or more is due to their function. These are the “self defense” guns people want therefore they will frequently start with 10 rounds in either the handgun and or rifle. Self defense will require a higher capacity. This fact was proven years ago when just about every police agency moved to automatics.”

So even the police recognized the need for a larger capacity clip.  That’s important because the police play a big role in this new law, but not how you might imagine.  Read on people.

Also, notice the lack of the term “assault weapon” in my friend’s comments.  I have yet to hear a member of the military or law enforcement use the term assault weapon.  Every gun is an assault weapon and no gun is an assault weapon.  My spatula is an assault weapon if used with intent to harm. That does not include the eggs I burned the other day.  There is no singular gun called an assault gun.  Let’s go to one of New York’s own publications, the New York Magazine, for an explanation of the term assault weapon.

“Some argue that it’s just a scary term concocted by gun-control advocates, but according to the New York Times, the term “assault rifle” was first used to describe a weapon produced by the Nazis, and decades later it was adopted by the firearms industry to sell guns modeled after new military rifles. However, it’s true that the practical definition of an assault weapon is determined by lawmakers; with the new legislation before Congress, it could change again.”

Yeah you read that right, lawmakers have defined what we currently come to believe the term assault weapon means.  Governor Cuomo has used that to great effect.  His gun control measure passed quickly and almost unanimously.  Republicans in the senate and democrats in the House both pushed the bill through fast and Cuomo signed it in two days with no press coverage  He would later say he was trying to avoid a run on the gun stores if the public had known the bill passed and was being signed so quickly.  Nice try Andrew.  More likely it was to keep opposition guessing so they wouldn’t have time to mount a defense.  They didn’t and the bill passed but may not stand.  Here’s a few reasons why.

1. The law allows for a grandfather clause for those with 10 round clips, provided they only load 7 rounds.  So if you’re baking brownies while loading your assault spatula and lose count, loading 8 rounds instead of 7, you’ll earn your first misdemeanor, maybe your second.  Our readership is a pretty salty audience.  Well who is gonna monitor all that.  I mean the only way johnny homeowner gets caught is if 8 dudes invade his house and he closes out all 8 with out reloading.  In simpler terms the law is incredibly cumbersome.

Does this really need a caption?

Does this really need a caption?

2. The law has no language, and makes no exemptions for guns used in official capacity.  In short all New York police are now in possession of illegal weapons.  That list would also include members working out of the New York FBI, CIA, NSA offices, not to mention the Secret Service whenever Pres Obama, Bush 43, Clinton, and Bush 41 come to town.  The list goes on and on and on.  Who wrote this freaking law?  Whoever it was will get a second chance when the NY State or US Supreme Court calls the law unconstitutional.

3. Gun and ammo manufactures have already said they will not be making special clips to comply with the new law.  Obviously it can’t be cost effective to make items for just one state, especially when it’s unlikely most will comply and the law may not stand.  But gun manufactures decision not to make the new clips makes the law look like what it really is – an end around of the 2nd amendment.

4.  Last and most obscure, it looks a little like forcing people to buy a smaller gun with a smaller clip could be considered collusion between the state and free market.  If I were a conspiracy theorist (love those guys), I would start looking into state legislators business holdings and see who is tied into a gun or ammo manufacture, no matter how thin the connection.

As I implied earlier, we here at Unfiltered and Unfettered are not always…. well never, we are never fair in our analysis.  But in this case the law does address background checks and  mental illness, sadly these good provisions will get thrown out with the bath water as this poorly written bill isn’t even good for target practice.


One comment on “New York gun laws: 10 will get you 7….or something like that.

  1. joy says:

    Merçi TONY , merçi FRANCIS -MICHAEL,pour vos éclaircissements sur les armes à feux .JE ne critique pas le port d’armres pour les policiers qui toutefois est à vérifier et à contrôler car on peut toujours dissimuler une armre ,soit en crééant des cachettes ou planques,seules connues par soit même..Les policiers plus ou moins véreux ou agents ,ils y en existera toujours,les balles perdues de même,la légitimilité sera toujours remise en cause .Je ne parle pas des fusils d’assaut à répétition qu’utilise les militaires .d’ailleurs tout à fait normal à Xcoups pour ne pas perdre de temps à le recharger face à l’ennemi .mais ce genre de matériel doit être réservé seulement aux armées,mais malheureusement il y aura et pas seulement aux states mais partout dans le monde un marché libre rien qu’avec le démenbrement des pays de l’est de l’EUROPE ,la chute de l’ IRAN des trafiquants en tous genres vous en trouverez partout .Une arme de poing comme le ( POING AMERICAIN ,LA BOMBE DE DEFENSE LACRYMOGENE que j’ai toujours dans la poche de ma veste ou de mon manteau ou bien un beau coupe papier en fond aussi des armes de défense et croyez moi ce coupe papier bien planté ,mon adversaire ne fait pas long feu (paix à son AME ) .AVEC Le rouleau à pâtisserie,vous assommez votre ennemi potentiel ,mais vous le tuerez rarement c’est plutôt une immobilisation à moins qu’il ne tombe après sur le coin de la cheminée au même point d”impact ou vous l’aurez frappé et là vous réalisez quelque chose de parfait .Que les armes en vente libre soient à 3 3, 7, 10 ou X COUPS même légitimés par le gouvernement et en s’appuiyant sur fondement du 2 ième amendement de votre constitution ,il faut réagir surtout lorsqu’il s’agit de vos enfants le bien le plus sacré que nous à donner DIEU Je veux vous faire comprendre ,si vous le voulez bien , notre mentalité française pour le français sensé ,le port d’armes en FRANCE est illégal il ne fait en rien partie de notre constitution et de plus celà n’est pas dans notre mentalité sauf pour les fous et les trafiquants,nous faisons la chasse à ces porteurs Je pense que je vous ai un peu intrigué MaIS JE COMPRENDS ET JE RESPECTE votre état et votre façon de vivre ,je donne simplement mon point de vue et je n’ai en aucun cas le droit de juger pour ne pas être juger

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